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No, you don't miss the timing with things like that - timing is missed if something 'happens' in between the optional trigger condition being met, and the next time the trigger would get chance to activate. If you tribute Peten the Dark Clown for a tribute summon, the summon happens before Peten can activate - he misses the timing.

With Future Visions vs Armageddon Knight or Manju, the summon is simply satisfying two trigger conditions at once. Multiple triggers will form a chain with each other in the following order,

1 - Turn player's mandatory,
2 - Opponent's mandatory,
3 - Turn Player's Optional,
4 - Opponent's Optional.

Activations do not cause Optional Triggers to miss the timing. Mandatory Triggers will always go on the chain before Optionals, but that does not make them miss the timing - nothing has 'happened' or resolved yet.

So if the opponent controls Future Visions, and you summon Armageddon Knight, then Future Visions goes on the chain first, then Armageddon Knight. If you tribute summoned Caius, his effect would be chain link 1, and your opponent's Future Visions will be chain link 2.

Lastly, a 'return to play' is not any kind of summon. Summon-responsive cards cannot be used against it, nor does it create a situation where it could remove a 'nomi' (cannot be special summoned except by..) monster from the game but be unable to bring it back to the field. [/quote

1) The effect of Future Vision's is a mandatory Trigger-like Effect that activates when a monster is Normal Summoned. This will prevent you from using your turn player priority to activate a monsters Ignition Effect like Gravekeeper's Descendant or Exiled Force.

Armageddon Knight and Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands both have optional trigger effects that may be activated when they are Normal Summoned. If they are Normal Summoned while Future Vision's is active, their 'Trigger' effects share the same activation timing as Future Vision's and can be activated in a chain together with it.

We call this the rule of SEGOC (Simultaneous Effects Go On Chain). This is how we determine the order of multiple trigger effects activating at the same time are placed on the chain.

1st - add the Turn Player's mandatory Trigger effects on the chain.
2nd - add the Opposing Player's mandatory trigger effects on the chain.
3rd - add the Turn Player's optional trigger effects on the chain.
4th - add the Opposing Player's optional trigger effects on the chain.
Example: Dash controls Future Vision's and it is TheBrownKid's turn.

TheBrownKid Normal Summons Armageddon Knight. Dash's Future Vision's effect activates and TheBrownKid also wishes to activate the optional trigger effect of his Armageddon Knight.

Chain Link 1 - Future Visions effect (Opposing Player's Mandatory Trigger effect)
Chain Link 2 - Armageddon Knight's effect (Turn Player's Optional Trigger Effect)
==resolve the chain==
Chain Link 2 - Armageddon Knight's effect
Chain Link 1 - Future Vision's effect

2) No, it's not considered a Special Summon. The Removed monster is just "returned" to the field.

edit: I took way to long to type this. Sorry Seraphon.

[ Dernière modification par Marshmallangel le 24 mai 2011 à 08h58 ]

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You can use Solemn Judgment or Royal Oppression when it comes back during the next standby phase. If you do, its effect won't activate because its summon was negated. You can also use Bottomless Trap Hole to remove it from play, but it's effect to destroy all spells and traps will still be activated.